« Reply #22 on: Feb 05, 2013, 8:30 pm »
 
I thought the CRB thing had been fixed, so it's less of a pisstake cashcow for the agency which does the checks?

« Reply #21 on: Feb 05, 2013, 8:26 pm »
 
It's Disclosure Scotland up here and may be slightly different in detail to CRB but is doing the same job.
There's no such thing as bad weather, you're just wearing the wrong jacket!!

« Reply #20 on: Feb 05, 2013, 7:42 pm »
 
Instructing is the word, wide open after that, does not matter if you give a cert or not. That's why my insurance costs so much.


As an aside one of my sons worked as a chugger  and now is supervising the training of door to door collectors. He has to have a training qualification to do this.
 We have told him he is running a con man course :) .

implanecrazy

« Reply #19 on: Feb 05, 2013, 7:15 pm »
 
Do all the RYA instructors have a teaching qualification?  At the end of the day I wouldn't class what I'm tring to set up as a course.  I will not be teaching anything I will be showing and instructing.  There are no qualifications at the end of it other than possibly a PLs and a few RYA certificates, if they decide to take the courses
  It would be best practice to ensure that no adult is left alone with any youth.  Not for the youth's protection but for the adults protection as there are cases where kids have accused adults of indescent behavior.  I know some one this has happened to and several weeks into the police enquiry the young girl admitted she only said it for a laugh.  It cost the guy weeks of worry, suspension from his job while investigation was going on.  He had to stop running the beaver scout group he ran while the investigation was carried out.  Then he had people saying nasty things about him which were proven to be unfounded.

« Reply #18 on: Feb 05, 2013, 7:13 pm »
 
just had a chat with my mrs, and she thinks you onyl need teaching certificate if you do it for personal gain, but she is not 100% sure, so i might be wrong. i would seek advice.

She is defo regards a CRB check, this has to be sponsered by an organisation or company, who normally pay for it. its specific to the event/or job you will be doing with regards that organisation at that point in time.

setting up a one man youth group, unless part of a larger organisation is opening up that person to a hole lot of legal issues if you ask me.

« Reply #17 on: Feb 05, 2013, 7:06 pm »
 
.... Come to think of it the Scouting organization may be able to help as they would be training in lots of things on a non professional basis.
Strangely enough the UK Scouting organisation has used this club to train their leaders in hovercraft operation! 

The bottom line is that our insurers are aware of what we do and the detail of how we do it (participants must have own insurance, et.) so, in theory  ::) , we should be covered.  I'd just like to make sure there isn't some legal thing we should also be doing.

« Reply #16 on: Feb 05, 2013, 6:41 pm »
 
Do you have a link to the legislation Jon - I can only find stuff that applies to teaching professionally (i.e getting paid for it)?  Maybe we need to check we are complying properly with any law.


 Good point John, there may indeed be a difference and your law could be different to ours, I will ask some colleagues for an opinion and if I find anything will let you know.
 One of the problems may be that the trainer has to be "competent", usually taken in my industry as having at least 5 years experience on a particular machine. I had pics of a job taken in 1980 as proof of mine!!!! A training qualification would also help competency.
 Come to think of it the Scouting organization may be able to help as they would be training in lots of things on a non professional basis.
 I would not be happy helping to defend a claim unless the trainer had considerable experience.
 
Trev, a cert does not mean a whole lot, there are more important pieces of paper involved!!(i.e. to protect the trainer)

Kip, we will shortly be able  deliver a course in swimming in dirty old rivers, we have been asked to develop one for people using boats in shallow water. Tree climbing courses we already provide but fireworks are illegal here!!!!
 

We recently did some work for a company that had an employee on snow clearing at an airport using a tractor and loader. He ran into a parked 737 with the loader. His defence ?  he had not been trained properly, nobody had told him open his eyes and  look up..................

« Reply #15 on: Feb 05, 2013, 5:43 pm »
 
Your missing the point, you can't legally teach anything in the UK, without a teaching certificate. If I wanted teach a night class in origami, irrespective of weather I knew anything about origami I need a teaching certificate first. Strictly speaking the clubs training course, would require the trainer to hold an adult teaching certificate.
Do you have a link to the legislation Jon - I can only find stuff that applies to teaching professionally (i.e getting paid for it)?  Maybe we need to check we are complying properly with any law.

nessie

« Reply #14 on: Feb 05, 2013, 5:27 pm »
 
in a remote village in Scotland where everyone.............

have the advantage that most share DNA  ;)

« Reply #13 on: Feb 05, 2013, 5:02 pm »
 
Tell me this why would anyone need a teaching certificate to run a hovercraft workshop in a remote village in Scotland where everyone knows each other when there is no qualification at the end of it ??
I thought this was meant to be a hands on experience for the kids who are interested in the area  ???

« Reply #12 on: Feb 05, 2013, 4:42 pm »
 
I used to teach at Bridgwater College with just a CRB.  My qualifications were not in the subject I was teaching & it was only an evening class, but I had no issue at all.

Kip

« Reply #11 on: Feb 05, 2013, 3:49 pm »
 
So don't "teach" them. Just show them how you do it or would that be fraught with danger.
I wish I could remember how I learnt to climb trees, make fireworks and bombs, learn to swim in a dirty old river, etc.
What a bizarre world we have created.
 
Kip :(
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 05, 2013, 3:34 pm »
 
Your missing the point, you can't legally teach anything in the UK, without a teaching certificate. If I wanted teach a night class in origami, irrespective of weather I knew anything about origami I need a teaching certificate first. Strictly speaking the clubs training course, would require the trainer to hold an adult teaching certificate.

gavinparson

« Reply #9 on: Feb 05, 2013, 2:58 pm »
 

The CRB stuff will already be covered by Al's job.


My understanding is that CRB checks are done on a job by job basis. My wife is a qualified teacher but needed a new CRB to act as a reading volunteer at our daughter's school and then she needed another one to work in a care home.
I suspect that Al would have to set himself up in a new role and then pay for a new CRB.
Not sure if the same applies up there in the wilderness though.  :D

implanecrazy

« Reply #8 on: Feb 05, 2013, 2:03 pm »
 
This is where the YDO said that it is perfectly plausable to use the Hoverclubs or a manufacturers training course because there are no recognised national guidelines.
 
I am more than happy to get trained, so I am able to run these courses in the North of Scotland.  It would also be a good addition to my CV.