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General / Re: South West Hover-in and cruise - 2026
« Last post by rossfloyd on Today at 1:17 PM »
HI Nick,  this is a bit of a long reply - sorry !

For what you probably do, your insurance is perfectly adequate, indeed many insurance companies won't give comprehensive cover for home 'built craft'.

You will be covered for damage and injury to third parties ( and hopefully passengers ! ) but with no cover for damage to the craft, yourself or any legal costs if your craft is damaged by someone else.  With a home built craft that isn't a massive issue as you would likely do the repairs yourself and not make a claim !  It is the third party cover that is the important bit as that could run into millions and you will probably have a £5m limit which is generally reckoned enough.  Until recently that was £2m but has now been increased.  Basic Boat insurance also covers operation on land if part of an organised club event ( as far as I can recall from my Sev Vanguard days ).

Comprehensive cover costs more but is like car insurance and similar to ordinary commercial marine cover.  You get repairs up to an agreed value for damage or if a constructive total loss ( aka write off )  or a full agreed/market value pay out for loss due to sinking or fire plus cover for claims made by passengers as long as not commercial. They will also cover costs for agreed salvage and for personal items lost.  It is actually more complicated than this due to the %age of value on cover but we can ignore that bit.  You will also have an option of legal expenses cover for you and to reclaim any lost no claim bonus or to defend a prosecution against you.  There is also personal injury cover and a good company - I am with Haven Knox Johnson - will take over the damage claim and get the vessel fixed and returned just like a car policy.  You may even get a hire vessel - some hope with a hovercraft ! - during the repair period.   HKJ asked me to rewrite their hovercraft insurance terms some years ago and they still use the wording. 

There were a couple of 'spurious' claims a few years ago when some commercially built but defective craft were 'damaged' and the insurance paid out.  No names !!!!   However many companies took fright and dumped all hovercraft insurance, but a few still offer it although with special clauses and limitations. There are so few of us that they don't understand the mind set and a few maverick operators can cause the underwriters to back out.  Easier to say no than to handle an unknown risk.

The main fear for insurers is that of Road Traffic Act liability and this is an incredibly expensive and dangerous issue for light hovercraft operators.  The liability is unlimited so in the event of an accident on land, any claim company will try hard to make  out that the hovercraft was being used in the manner or purpose of a 'motor vehicle'. That way they can claim huge sums and take their cut.   If the insurers won't pay out, they could go after and potentially bankrupt the operator.

With any publicly accessible space now being classed as part of a highway for the purposes of vehicle use, this is a minefield and why Road Traffic insurance is specifically excluded on hovercraft policies.  It is also a big risk for hovercraft operators on a beach as it could be argued that you are a motor vehicle - certainly a craft operating on a beach with no intention of going on the water might come into this category.  The wording .... from memory ....says 'adapted or intended for use on a road' but there is a massive grey area and that is where lawyers make their money.  A fully equipped seagoing hovercraft heading to or from the water or below the mean high water mark is unlikely to fall into that category, but a basic one using the beach as a playground might,   and lawyers are trained to find a chink in the armour.

Basic Boat insurance, as I recall, covers operators for use on land ONLY if part of an organised club event.  My insurance lets me choose - both obviously subject to the RTA exclusions - and that's why I would need the club to make any hover-in an 'official' event so that anyone with Basic Boat insurance is covered, along with the organisers as club officials !  Not a problem if they decide not to do this,  but it shuts out members without comprehensive insurance cover.

Sorry for the long pontification !
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General / Re: South West Hover-in and cruise - 2026
« Last post by Nick Flint on Today at 10:42 AM »
Ross- What does "comprehensive HC insurance" mean?
My Hovercraft basic boat ins is third party only.
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General / Re: South West Hover-in and cruise - 2026
« Last post by rossfloyd on Yesterday at 6:12 PM »
Did the committee decide if a Hover - in  event at the Helicopter Museum could be  a club event?  From my time on the committee and with the ' Basic Boat' insurance on my old Sev I think it needs to be an approved club event for operators to be covered by their insurance for operation on land.  Organisers would also need cover under the club policy.

I am 95% over this sciatica .... 12 weeks  ... and can now start following it up.  The Heli Museum are up for it,  as are the HCGB and SWHUG  but I need to know if it is a formal club event before I can go any further. 

It only needs agreement in principle as no one knows dates or what will actually happen,  so it is not a carte blanche agreement, but unless the Club can agree it as an 'event' it will exclude a lot of our members who don't have comprehensive hover insurance and I will probably not bother to take it forward as a joint event.

Thanks for all the get well messages - it was a bit of a battering!
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For Sale & Wanted / Re: Sevtec Surveyor for sale
« Last post by Ian Brooks on Oct 27, 2025, 11:17 pm »
That’s a shame indeed. I can attest to the quality of the build, I was down there a couple of months ago when it was nearly finished. I hope someone keen buys it and has fun.
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For Sale & Wanted / Re: Sevtec Surveyor for sale
« Last post by Eric Yeoman on Oct 27, 2025, 9:38 pm »
Hi, that's a shame for sure. I reckon she'll be snapped up. I noticed how quiet that engine is. Is that muffler one of the S. Steel, diesel type. I've seen similar on eBay & I'm looking around as the original one is way too heavy. Thanks & cheers from Oz.
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For Sale & Wanted / Sevtec Surveyor for sale
« Last post by Gaz on Oct 27, 2025, 3:29 pm »
Here it is... The post I feared I'd have to write!


FOR SALE

The Sevtec Surveyor built for 1387 (Liskeard) Squadron Air Cadets.


This craft, 7 years in the building, is now for sale due to the Air Cadet top brass now being so "Risk Averse" they wont let the cadets use it!


Most of the build can be followed here;
https://hoverclub.org.uk/index.php/topic,6489.100.html
There are quite a few gaps as I couldn't get anyone to sign up to the forum and update the posts.


Here's a quick video of its first proper test flight;



https://youtu.be/RaHh-12j5ms



The craft is powered by a Briggs and Stratton vanguard EFI engine. 600mm Hasconwing 4Z lift fan and a 72" Ultralight Propellor. It comes with a custom built trailer that has undergone trailer testing.


It's built mostly to the plans with only the upper deck undergoing any customisation. It is in the Air Cadets livery as it stands, the stickers are all self adhesive vinyl and can be removed


Selling on behalf of 1387 Squadron. All profits from the sale will go back into the squadrons Civilian Committee's Cadet Welfare Fund bank account for the benefit of the cadets.


£8000 or sensible offers




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HovTube / Re: Clip from last visit to Loch fyne
« Last post by Steve Holland on Oct 27, 2025, 10:32 am »
Al, those were exceptional conditions, the video doesn't do it justice. Normal minimum rpm for me is around 2,450. Plough in isn't something I think about although the new skirt is marginally more likely to do it albeit relatively. The front end dipped excessively on launch from the log house, reducing the size of the triangular fill ports has improved that significantly.
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HovTube / Re: Clip from last visit to Loch fyne
« Last post by Al on Oct 26, 2025, 12:01 pm »
Nice to see your speed and engine RPM.  Shows that you don't have to keep the RPM up at maximum to cruise or to stop the craft ploughing in.
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HovTube / Clip from last visit to Loch fyne
« Last post by Steve Holland on Oct 26, 2025, 9:23 am »

https://youtu.be/rNCVIuVa_D4

This should have been in the last video, it shows how nice the conditions for being out on the water were.
My video taking and editing will improve!
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General / Re: Lift problems again
« Last post by Al on Oct 24, 2025, 7:06 pm »
I think the thrust belts are made to look worse through the camera than they are. Not sure why, unless it’s something to do with the propeller blades messing with the camera sensor. I checked with the belt calculator and they should be 9.1 mm offset at 2.6kg. I set the belts at that and they feel pretty tight
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