Hovercraft Cruising Club UK

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Title: Motorhome
Post by: Ronnie L on Nov 25, 2018, 6:01 pm
After seeing Nick and Kim happily towing and camping in their Transit Auto-Sleepers.[/size]Talking to them made me think that the old Tranny might be a good for us.Having sold some gyrocopter bits and pieces, we started look.Today a deal was done on this.It is a 1997 Ford Transit Autosleeper Amethyst. It is in amazingly good condition as they usually have corrosion issues.It’s Guernsey registered at the moment.We are picking it up from Lytham in a couple of days.[/color]
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Kim Taylor on Nov 25, 2018, 7:08 pm
Well done Ronnie - good choice 8)  Just make sure that you don’t start talking nonsense like the other Amythest owners in the HoverClub! I use the word “nonsense” instead of a far more appropriate but possibly unacceptable word.... :-X ::) :-\
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Ronnie L on Nov 25, 2018, 8:28 pm
Thanks Kim.......what do you mean don’t “start” talking nonsense.....I think it’s a necessity.
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Philip on Nov 25, 2018, 10:34 pm
Is it like this one? I presume they use an underbody sealer on the Transit motorhomes, we had a few Transit vans in my previous life and would never buy used from the UK as they just rotted. Irish ones all had sealer from day one and had no such problems.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKCDFVX3Ep8&t=834s
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Ian Brooks on Nov 26, 2018, 2:19 am
I've welded a few MkI and MkII vans. I can confirm Phil's assertion  ::) Don't know about later ones, i gave up on the dubious pastime of welding rotten cars before they came out  ;)
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Ronnie L on Nov 26, 2018, 8:15 am
I’ve welded lots of old transits and advised customers to scrap them too.
Then I go and pay a stupid price for one.
The cab and body is in amazing condition, just a couple of scabs.
They are pretty bomb proof mechanically, so a service and a timing belt should do it.
Titivate the bodywork and off we go.

Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Gary Firth (Gazza) on Nov 26, 2018, 10:01 am
I said I’d never buy a transit van.
Guess what I bought a transit van.
13 plate got a couple of scabs but hey ho.
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: tomtilley on Nov 28, 2018, 9:35 pm
  Now i think thay may have to put there names on each camper to show who's the Pilot is .    :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Nick Flint on Dec 03, 2018, 10:03 am
Ahhh good choice, Ronnie.
They are basically an upside down fibreglass hull, i.e. don't leak, unlike ali foam slabsides as most others.
Look out for heater issues in the saloon, easily upgraded by going digital, see Kims upgrade or mine.
My only "real issue" was the crummy alarm (factory fitted.)
THIS has an "in situ" small rechargeable battery to power the noise should some one just cut the wire!
THIS battery self charges from your main onboard engine battery, so gradually discharges your engine starter battery, because the small battery eventually deteriorates until it continuously needs charging.
In all ways this is stupid!!! I used a professional to remove and despose of said alarm- (useless anyway)
as the transit part is immobilised. I then fitted a discarnect battery terminal, so I can NOW start up with
the rather  tired battery  even when left for weeks with the battery disconnected.
Also helps with additional anti thief measure.
No issues yet with losing the "memory" part of things with engine, and or radio!
Just retune it for your hol then relax! 8)
They also hold their price rather well, poor when buying, good when selling!

Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: tomtilley on Dec 03, 2018, 10:25 am
Hi Nick just being  curious what is the  Weight of the camper  m/t it will be on logbook or vin plate . I just thinking. May be for me ? 🤔 Thanks .         Tom
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Ronnie L on Dec 03, 2018, 12:11 pm
Hi Nick
These campers seem to be a kind of hoverclub uniform.
Thanks for info, need to speak to you at some point.


Tom
Gross vehicle weight 3500kg.
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: tomtilley on Dec 03, 2018, 6:46 pm
 Thank you Ron, much appreciated for the information  that is the maximum I can drive now on my driving licence 3.500 Killo without craft and trailer  after reaching 70 years young, that was 2 years ago.

[/size][size=78%]Your [/size][/size][size=78%]driving licence will change automatically when you reach the age of 70. [/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Just trying to let club members who are not 70 know about this licence change.[/size]
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[/size][size=78%]Tom[/size]
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Ronnie L on Dec 03, 2018, 8:35 pm
Tom
Can you drive a 3500kg motorhome +trailer?
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: John Robertson on Dec 03, 2018, 10:47 pm
I suspect it's the same scenario with the modern driving test - limited to 3500Kg.  I did some research a few years back to determine the reason why it was said that "new" licences holders can't tow a trailer.  Turned out that the interpretation was based on the GTW of the vehicle plus the gross weight of the trailer- which meant that you couldn't tow a 150Kg trailer with a large 4x4 (GTW 3.5t _ 0.15) but could tow a 2 ton trailer behind a tiddly lightweight car.  This made no sense on safety grounds so I read the appropriate Acts and it turns out that the 3.5t limit is the actual train weight (vehicle plus loaded trailer) at the time - nothing to do with the GTW on the VIN plate.  I also couldn't  find any court cases where someone had been fined/etc. for towing a trailer (probably not a surprise as the rig would need taken to a weighbridge to prove it was over 3.5t!).

Bottom line is that provided the total rig weight is below 3.5t you should be OK (how much does the loaded camper weigh - 2.5t max and it would be OK assuming the trailer/hover is 500Kg (and if it isn't then a lighter trailer is needed!)
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: tomtilley on Dec 04, 2018, 12:36 am
Hi John before my  license change I can drive up to 7.1/2 ton truck But now I can not all the info of the vehicle that's being driven on the road is with the DVLA info and on the log book I'm not to shore I will chance it .If i have a  accident I think the  Insurance company will   Wriggle out of it  like thay do if Im driving over the  Weight limit . Tom
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Warby on Dec 04, 2018, 8:10 am
This all seems rather confusing!!
See. https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories (https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories)
According to gov site if your license shows CAT B and you passed your test before 1st Jan 1997 you can drive a car and trailer of 8,250 Kg MAM (maximum aloud mass)
If your licence shows CAT BE and you passed your test before Jan 2013 you can drive a Vehicle of 3,500 with a trailer of any size!!! Am I missing something??
My licence shows CAT B and CAT BE (I am 70 +)
 Just checked vehicle categories  I can drive ( online with DVLA) and CAT BE states
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Al on Dec 04, 2018, 8:44 am
How I understand it, is that prior to 1997, we are are allowed to tow any size trailer with a vehicle as long as their total loaded weight doesn't exceed 8.25 ton.


After 1997 any vehicle with a trailer as long as total loaded weight is under 3.5 ton.


If there is any doubt about whether or not your allowed to tow a trailer with a certain vehicle then you should contact DVLA or take and pass a test to cover you.  The last thing anyone needs is to be involved in an accident and it comes to light that your licence didn't cover you, your suddenly uninsured, possible lawsuit against you and whatever else the law can chuck at you, and it wouldn't matter if the accident wasn't your fault.   It's not worth the risk   
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Warby on Dec 04, 2018, 8:56 am
Al, with the "passed test before 1997 rule" and most of the club members appear to be over 38years of age there should be no problems towing trailers!!
See link in my previous post which enables anyone to check their entitlement
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Al on Dec 04, 2018, 9:13 am
Al, with the "passed test before 1997 rule" and most of the club members appear to be over 38years of age there should be no problems towing trailers!!
See link in my previous post which enables anyone to check their entitlement


Careful, you make the club sound like its an old peoples club  ;D


My wife is, lets say older than 38 "Tactful"  ;) [size=78%] but she is limited on what she can tow because she passed her test after 1997.  Us oldies have granddad rights which is great.  If your licence has to be renewed by DVLA for any reason, then you should always check it when it returns as years ago for medical reasons my licence had to be renewed every three years.  One time when I received it back from DVLA, I was checking to make sure they had put my motorbike entitlement back on the licence and noticed that they had removed my C1 & D1, so I contacted them and they put these entitlements back on my licence.  They will only remove certain categories if there is a medical or lawful reason to do so [/size]
Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: Nick Flint on Dec 05, 2018, 11:57 am
My aged eyes have found this RAC advice-

If you want to tow a trailer weighing more than 750kg, when the combined weight of the towing vehicle and trailer is more than 3,500kg, you’ll have to get B+E entitlement on your licence.





My licence recently granted by DVLA after MUCH shilly and some "shallying" declares------------ with DVLA deciding what to grant me--

I AM authorised BE for another three years THEN- (at 72years) I am "encouraged" to jump through hoops again, brought about by my 7 eye operations, and now life time eye drop usage to control "stuff".
SO my advice guys -being quite low down on the "legal advice" pecking order- i.e. at the bottom---
IS
IF your licence says "BE" -----helpfully snuggled in between "D and C1E below" --
THEN by definition you CAN tow/ drive, as I have been GRANTED "BE"
As I'm 70 years old and to quote my grandson Max-
"Pops- you're Not dead (YET)"           

My total all up weight should be less than 3500KGs, and if I'm close, I'll miss out the Full Scottish Breakfast. NB this usually includes deep fried sporran with whisky chaser   


Title: Re: Motorhome
Post by: tomtilley on Dec 07, 2018, 11:44 am
 I parst my driving test in 1971 so will be ok with Grandfathers rights   ;)  Tom