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Offline gavin parson

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Re: Diesel engines
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2012, 5:25:18 pm »
The Daimler Chrysler OM 660 engine used in the Smart Car only weighs 65Kg and produces 41hp in standard form.
As it's an electronically managed engine you could re-chip it and get around 65hp.


It would be a more complex install but no worse than the VW TDi.

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Re: Diesel engines
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2012, 6:06:52 pm »
its remapping now gavin :)

the smart car has slighty more complicated electrics to the vw, tho!!

a 1.9tdi is 90hp stock and with a cable and software off ebay,  can do over 100hp reliably. as for  weight dont know. over twice the power, i doubt twice the weight.

if im aloud to build a big craft again, the vw would  be my choice

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Re: Diesel engines
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2012, 6:21:45 pm »
You need to be careful when talking about power output - the engine at the start of this thread is rated at 36hp continuous and the VW Tdi at 80hp (3300rpm)  continuous.  For a reliable and long life those are the ratings that should be used on a hovercraft  - not what the car brochure says  ::)

I doubt there are any car engines that will operate at anywhere near full rated power for very long - for one thing the cooling systems don't have enough capacity to reject the heat produced.

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Re: Diesel engines
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2012, 7:09:15 am »

John is right-on, here!  The limiting factor in the Explorer-22TDI's operation is EGT!  The engine can be throttled well into an overheat realm at continuous duty, so Bryan has designed the drive ratios to go right up to the edge of the continuous-duty thermal limit.  The 22TDI has a CAN-Cockpit RPM gage that monitors several engine parameters and allows the operator to closely monitor EGT so as not to exceed the engine's limit.   During the testing phase, we hooked up the engine's monitoring port to a laptop running VAG-COM monitoring software and we were able to observe many data points involving specific fuel consumption, exhaust O2, turbo inlet/outlet, and many more to tune the drive system and get a baseline of craft performance underway at various power settings.  It's amazing how precise you can get with the right sensors feeding the right instrumentation and logging software/displays!


There has been a bit of a discussion on the Hoverclub of America forum about building EFI engines with "open source" software and circuitry instead of the auto's OEM ECU.  The system is called Megasquirt and has been used in aviation auto conversions, as well as Dean Polle's homebuilt SEV-styled hovercraft using an EA81 I believe.  This method may also possibly be useful in driving a common-rail diesel, substituting the auto computer, but I don't have any examples of that off-hand.


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You need to be careful when talking about power output - the engine at the start of this thread is rated at 36hp continuous and the VW Tdi at 80hp (3300rpm)  continuous.  For a reliable and long life those are the ratings that should be used on a hovercraft  - not what the car brochure says  ::)

I doubt there are any car engines that will operate at anywhere near full rated power for very long - for one thing the cooling systems don't have enough capacity to reject the heat produced.
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Re: Diesel engines
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2012, 9:44:10 am »
Yes VAG-Com is a really useful tool and easy to use, I'm not sure if Megasquirt or similar would be any advantage over a VAG ECU  for the CR engines but I know there's a lot of discussion on various forums about it. CR in cars has been around for over 12 years now so the knowledge is beginning to filter down.
Is the engine in the Explorer rotary pump, PD or CR? Does it have an intercooler? Fixed or variable vane turbo?

 

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